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  1. Gene Wiseman

    Gene Wiseman New Member

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    I have been making a lot of tapes to listen to with my Walkman lately. I have Tidal and can download music on my phone and it sounds "perfect" but it's missing something. When I record the same music to tape, from the same source, it seems improved somehow. I realize that the wow and flutter are non-existent on the digital version as is tape hiss. I guess I am lucky as my aging eardrums no longer pick up the frequencies associated with hiss but I can still hear wow and flutter well. Despite all the drawbacks, I prefer listening to the tapes over listening to the original streams or cd's. It doesn't seem to make as much difference with speakers as with headphones. The tapes are just less fatigueing than the digital source even though they are recordings of the digital source. Maybe the hiss helps smooth out or fill in the sound somehow. As I said earlier, I can't actually hear the hiss so I don't know if that would make any difference to me. All that I am sure of is that I can listen to tapes for hours at a time through headphones but I usually don't get that immersed in the digital version of the same music. What are Y'alls opinions on the subject?
    Thanks a lot!
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    Mister X Moderator Staff Member

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    This is a nice video to compare different results. I think in the big debate people miss that the equipment might "color" the sound and some people prefer different versions rather than the "pure" digital version. It's kind of like water, distilled water tastes horrible, add some impurities and it tastes great!


     
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    In a nutshell yes. I struggle with it. Trying to understand how. I had read about this phenomena for a few years and wanted to experience it myself. Now I get to hear it too. I tried some old TDK MA-R tapes and there was even more wonderful resonance. Maybe some kind of Nakamichi house sound going on too. I don't know. I just describe it as resonance. Easily heard with headphones. Especially with a great amp.
     
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    I have been thinking a lot about the issue and here is what I have come up with. Digital music has no background noise therefore it has no noise floor. If you are listening to digital music through speakers, the natural environment creates it's own noise floor. Listening with headphones eliminates most of this natural background noise. The lack of background noise makes the music stand out more creating listening fatigue. When digital music is recorded on tape, background noise is introduced creating a new noise floor. We are not used to listening to anything without some kind of background noise and tape hiss fills the void. Tape hiss replaces the ambient sound that is blocked out by the headphones thus lowers the fatigue associated with digital recordings.
    That's my theory but it's definitely open to arguments to the contrary.
     
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    Yes adding back in a noise floor could be it in some cases.

    Somewhat off topic - and about digital listening - sometimes it can be great and not fatiguing if:

    There is certainly a good serving of surreal ambient electronic music out there... which when listened to from a great source DAC / AMP ... through Open Back headphones... has a "holographic air effect". Incredible stuff that has been known to induce laughter and grins in this listener from the sheer marvel and awe of it :wink: There were periods of weeks when I couldn't wait to listen again that night. In the pitch black room the inky velvet enhanced everything and my ears come alive. It's an odyssey and trip to other-where. Fascinating. Then the awe fades away over a few days as the brain adapts and gets used to the music. The magic is gone. But in a year or two I can go back and experience it all over again once the synaptic circuits have broken down their resistance. Something like this perhaps. Delerium and their 1994 Semantic Spaces contains a few tracks that have been driving me crazy since 97' when I discovered it. Unique sound and unlike any other ambient I have found yet. Probably an acquired taste.
     
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    Having listened to half a track I have just ordered a copy. However, if you like that I am sure you would also like Enigma MCMXC.

    Back to the original subject the whole "Valve / Tube sound" is based on the pleasant colouration they add. I recently read how Ed Van Halen used to deliberately run his tube amps at a lower than specified voltage to get more colouration.
     
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