Aiwa HS-J10 component identification

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  1. Steve Grant

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    I've been working on a Aiwa HS-J10. One problem is intermittent audio noise and cutout. Investigation led to a small black squarish component next to the earphone jack is broken off its solder mounts. There is another of these on the other side of the jack, and a third one nearby. I presume the jack was impacted and broke the thing beside it.

    This thing has defied my attempts to resolder it. There are no pins on the bottom. It is very hard material.

    What is this and is it vital for the unit, or could I just make a short between its contacts. If it is important, how can I solder it, or is there something I could install in its place?

    Circled in the photo. Earphone jack was next to it and is removed.

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    After some research it seems to be a 1UH choke coil. What would the effect be of bypassing it?
     
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    Those are L103, L104 and L105. The circled one seems to be L105, the one connecting 3.5mm jack's ground to the circuit ground.

    Those 1μH inductors have a reactance of 630Ω at 100Mhz, so at RF they act as 630Ω resistors.
    On the other hand at 10kHz reactance is 0.06Ω, so it's like they're not even there.

    Without L105, the jack's ground (which is supposed to act like FM antenna) will be grounded at RF, so no signal will get in the FM frontend.
    FM radio will probably still work to some degree, as the trace itself will act like an antenna and also has some of its own parasitic inductance, but reception won't be good.

    Since C157/C158 and C164/C165 are both short-circuits at RF, L103 and L104 are also needed since otherwise RF signal would go through the headphones voicecoil (which can be as low as 16Ω) directly to ground.
    Using these inductors, the antenna is pretty much floating from the rest of the circuit at RF frequencies.

    This configuration is used on any walkman that has FM radio and uses the headphone cable as antenna.

    To be noted though you don't necessarily need the inductors with ferrite core. SMD chip-type ones will also work.
     
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    Without a datasheet can't tell. Apart from inductance, DC resistance (which should be low to not affect audio output impedance) and self-resonance frequency are also important.
    Above the self-resonance frequency, the inductor doesn't behave as an inductor anymore but as a capacitor. So we want this frequency to be above the frequency inductor is operating at.

    One example is this: www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/delta-electronics-components/0805CS-102EJFS/9764069
    It has a self-resonance frequency of 280Mhz (way above 88-108Mhz in FM) and DC resistance of 80mΩ (which is nothing).
    Footprint is 0805 (2.29mm x 1.71mm), but it is possible an 1206 footprint (3.2mm x 1.5mm) will also work.

    In regard to the ones linked, first concern is footprint. In pictures they all look large compared to original ones.
     
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    Thank you. I've ordered a couple of the 0805 (in case I mess up one of them) and will update after installation.
     
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    Remarkably, the replacement inductors from Digikey took less than 2 days to arrive at my door. In the meantime I attempted to attach solder to the miniscule leads broken off and barely sticking out of the original inductor when it broke off its pads. Then I soldered it back in place. And crossed my fingers.

    I thought I had succeeded, but in testing the only radio reception I got were the artifact signals you described.

    So I set about installing a new inductor, not looking forward to the challenge to my soldering ability and my crude equipment, of the new inductor's even smaller form factor than the original.

    But I came across that, in removing the earphone jack to make room to work on the inductor, I had unsoldered two wires. And had neglected to resolder them before testing the reattachment of the original inductor. Fortunately I had taken a photo before I unsoldered them.

    With the wires reconnected, the radio seems to work fine. I poked around at the jack and inductor and could not induce malfunction. So my finicky soldering job must have worked. I glued the inductor to the side of the adjacent switch, for support in addition to the soldering. This also gives the inductor more clearance to the jack, in case movement of the jack originally broke the inductor off the board.
     
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    I bought the HS-J10 cheap to swap the motor and gear assembly A into an Aiwa HS-J600, which shares the same 2ME-7 mechanism. But I ended up refurbishing the J10.

    I just put it back together for testing, and I'm very pleased to find everything works. To my imperfect hearing, it sounds as good as the more revered and costly J09/9/600. I can't hear any wow&flutter, even in reverse play. Auto reverse works. Radio presets work.

    Compared to an Aiwa HS-J360, it has a nice heft and feeling of quality. Unlike the J360, and like the J9/09/600, the J10 was made in Japan. While the J360 and J10 seem to get equal prices, and they have the same basic internals, I think the J10 is much more desirable than the J360. The HS-J10, HS-J101 and HS-J700 are all the same.

    I have an AA battery holder on order. The Play button is off so I could adjust the head. Despite only eyeballing the head positioning, it sounds just fine. But I'll adjust it using Audacity anyway.

    I have 3 home made white knobs for it. (Because I pirated the originals for a more valuable J9.)

    The front plastic panels and rear panels on these soften and often bear imprints from their (missing) cases. This one looked pretty bad. I sanded with 1000 grit sandpaper. (I didn't sand the lettered portions of the front, that lettering was already worn off). I masked off portions not to be painted, sprayed with clear lacquer, and repeated that process until getting a satisfactory piano black finish. I suggest using automotive clear coat for this instead, since it is harder and thicker than lacquer. The advantage of building up a clear layer to get a smooth finish is that you can sand or polish the surface without losing lettering and graphics.

    Broken trim panel screw tabs and the broken corner were fixed by epoxying aluminum braces inside the panel. The missing chip was filled with epoxy, shaped and painted. Not perfect, but better than a hole. The various damage was consistent with it having been dropped on one corner.

    The worst flaw was an inductor broken off the main board next to the earphone jack. The inductor was still partly connected, but poorly and intermittently. I ordered a replacement inductor but managed the very finicky job of resoldering the original.

    Here's the list of repairs:

    - cleaned
    - clear coat front window
    - clear coat back panel
    - clean pulleys
    - new belt
    - repair auto-reverse
    - paint scratches on cassette lid
    - fix broken trim panel screw tabs
    - fix chipped and broken trim panel
    - repair dents on corner of cassette bay door
    - straighten cassette lid hinges
    - replace 3 white knobs
    - lubricated switches etc.
    - repair inductor broken off main board, which caused extensive audio problems

    Another nice player ready for a second life.

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